Post by Arlie Shaban on Aug 9, 2016 17:00:50 GMT
Hello hello, Final 2!
First off, sorry that this is late, but I want to congratulate you both on making it this far. There's been some hostilities here and there, but ultimately part of it has to do with you being where you're at, and me being where I'm at. Don't get me wrong, I'm still bothered by a number of things that happened with me, but I'm not going to take 5000 words venting about it. Maybe just 2000 or so.
Shelli:
You were the second person in the entire game that I actually conversed with (after Becky, of course) and we always had what at least seemed like a good working relationship and a strong amount of respect between us. Even though I'd been caught and outright fessed up to doing some things behind your back, we still remained close. That being said, I've got a few questions for you.
1. Why did you never explain to me about the Final 3 situation even when I was going home? On top of that, why did you never say anything to me on the fact I was going to be evicted? Even a simple offline message over AIM would have greatly helped. Between when Howard left and you not using the Veto on me, Cass and I had more than our strong suspicions about it, and it wasn't something that I could have exactly done anything about. It sort of felt a couple of times like if something difficult involving me came up, you'd kind of be avoiding AIM and I'm not sure why. If we'd really connected like you mentioned and we talked about, why not give the respect to do either of those as it's clear you knew?
2. In that same sort of area, for as close as we supposedly were, how come you didn't think to really come to me for any alliances other than strictly SLASH? For the initial me/you/Liz/Becky thing, I had to bring that up, and when I tried to find and pitch other things to you for afterwards when that whole week that Liz left was going on, you'd kind of go and shoot them down without offering an alternative. It was always "I don't want to work with Becky", or "I don't feel comfortable with Cass", or "I'm not sure with Kelsey", etc. It left me feeling like I had to go off and do more things that didn't include you, and it ultimately made the trio with Kelsey come across to me as me getting replaced by her because she had a better record in comps.
3. What was the true level or depth of our relationship in this game? I obviously have my own idea, but I'd like to at least hear how it directly was with you, what point it changed, what made you decide to not be quite as inclusive on things with me as I had been with you, etc. I'm not bitter over it and understand there was likely a game reason behind it, I'd just like to know what it was.
Steve:
Well Steve, back when SLASH was getting started up and you were being talked about as being included, I told both Shelli and Liz (and they can back me up on this) that something about you seemed a bit off and that it was raising red flags for me. I guess it turns out I was right about a bunch of that, and you're sitting there while I'm sitting here. For all of our end-game drama, you were at the very least pleasant to me for most of the game.
1. I'd talked with you at length on how I thought keeping Kelsey in the game would lead you into an unfavourable potential Final 2 position, and that I thought it was the best move for you to keep me instead. You had told me how it was something you were prepared to do and stand behind regardless of what came next. I still feel the same now in standing with my beliefs on it then. My question here is: Do you still feel the same about the decision now that you did when you made it?
2. Now I'll admit I can be stubborn or set in my decisions, but there's been a bit of talk on how a lot of things you did in this game came across as being either influenced by, or as a direct result of other people. What are some game things that we as the Jury may not know about that either had absolutely 0% to do with things anybody else said, or were in no way influenced by others. This isn't to say that you haven't talked about some things that fall into that, this is just to help us as Jurors overall separate and understand the difference between the perception of you being manipulated at times and your thought process/perspective on what was going on during some of those times.
Both of you:
For each Juror, describe both us, and our games in 1 word each (that's a word for us, and a word for our games). I don't need a long explanation on it, just the one-word answers is more than enough for me.
Thanks again, and good luck to you both.
First off, sorry that this is late, but I want to congratulate you both on making it this far. There's been some hostilities here and there, but ultimately part of it has to do with you being where you're at, and me being where I'm at. Don't get me wrong, I'm still bothered by a number of things that happened with me, but I'm not going to take 5000 words venting about it. Maybe just 2000 or so.
Shelli:
You were the second person in the entire game that I actually conversed with (after Becky, of course) and we always had what at least seemed like a good working relationship and a strong amount of respect between us. Even though I'd been caught and outright fessed up to doing some things behind your back, we still remained close. That being said, I've got a few questions for you.
1. Why did you never explain to me about the Final 3 situation even when I was going home? On top of that, why did you never say anything to me on the fact I was going to be evicted? Even a simple offline message over AIM would have greatly helped. Between when Howard left and you not using the Veto on me, Cass and I had more than our strong suspicions about it, and it wasn't something that I could have exactly done anything about. It sort of felt a couple of times like if something difficult involving me came up, you'd kind of be avoiding AIM and I'm not sure why. If we'd really connected like you mentioned and we talked about, why not give the respect to do either of those as it's clear you knew?
2. In that same sort of area, for as close as we supposedly were, how come you didn't think to really come to me for any alliances other than strictly SLASH? For the initial me/you/Liz/Becky thing, I had to bring that up, and when I tried to find and pitch other things to you for afterwards when that whole week that Liz left was going on, you'd kind of go and shoot them down without offering an alternative. It was always "I don't want to work with Becky", or "I don't feel comfortable with Cass", or "I'm not sure with Kelsey", etc. It left me feeling like I had to go off and do more things that didn't include you, and it ultimately made the trio with Kelsey come across to me as me getting replaced by her because she had a better record in comps.
3. What was the true level or depth of our relationship in this game? I obviously have my own idea, but I'd like to at least hear how it directly was with you, what point it changed, what made you decide to not be quite as inclusive on things with me as I had been with you, etc. I'm not bitter over it and understand there was likely a game reason behind it, I'd just like to know what it was.
Steve:
Well Steve, back when SLASH was getting started up and you were being talked about as being included, I told both Shelli and Liz (and they can back me up on this) that something about you seemed a bit off and that it was raising red flags for me. I guess it turns out I was right about a bunch of that, and you're sitting there while I'm sitting here. For all of our end-game drama, you were at the very least pleasant to me for most of the game.
1. I'd talked with you at length on how I thought keeping Kelsey in the game would lead you into an unfavourable potential Final 2 position, and that I thought it was the best move for you to keep me instead. You had told me how it was something you were prepared to do and stand behind regardless of what came next. I still feel the same now in standing with my beliefs on it then. My question here is: Do you still feel the same about the decision now that you did when you made it?
2. Now I'll admit I can be stubborn or set in my decisions, but there's been a bit of talk on how a lot of things you did in this game came across as being either influenced by, or as a direct result of other people. What are some game things that we as the Jury may not know about that either had absolutely 0% to do with things anybody else said, or were in no way influenced by others. This isn't to say that you haven't talked about some things that fall into that, this is just to help us as Jurors overall separate and understand the difference between the perception of you being manipulated at times and your thought process/perspective on what was going on during some of those times.
Both of you:
For each Juror, describe both us, and our games in 1 word each (that's a word for us, and a word for our games). I don't need a long explanation on it, just the one-word answers is more than enough for me.
Thanks again, and good luck to you both.
